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What is the Michel Thomas Method?
The Michel Thomas Method teaches everyday conversational language that will allow you to communicate in a wide variety of situations, empowered by the ability to create your own sentences and use the language instinctively, having absorbed the vocabulary and grammatical structures. These all-audio courses were perfected over 25 years by gifted linguist and teacher Michel Thomas, and provide an accelerated method for language learning that is truly revolutionary.
Lessons 1-8, the Beginner course: This course makes no assumption of knowledge of any language other than English and gives the beginner practical and functional use of the spoken language. It is also appropriate for anyone who has studied Mandarin Chinese before, but has forgotten much of it or does not have confidence in speaking. The Beginner course is designed to take you from complete beginner to intermediate level.
Lessons 9-12, the Intermediate course: This course is for those with an intermediate-level foundation in Mandarin Chinese, or those who have completed lessons 1-8 and want to take their learning to an advanced level and speak Mandarin Chinese proficiently and easily.
How does it work?
Unlike most language courses that focus around topics or grammar forms, the Michel Thomas Method works by breaking a language down into its component parts, enabling you to reconstruct the language yourself - to form your own sentences, to say what you want, when you want. Within the first 10 minutes of the course, you will be generating complete sentences on your own. It is important that you complete the lessons in order. The Method is successful because it builds on the language you learn in each lesson and 'recycles' language taught in earlier lessons, allowing you to build ever-more complicated sentences. Because the Method is based on understanding, not memorisation, there is no set limit to the length of time that you should study each lesson. Once you feel you have a good grasp of the language taught in one lesson, you can move on to the next.
In lesson 3 of the Mandarin Chinese Beginner course, you'll be able to say 'my, mine' etc. with the possessive marker 'de', understand how word order works in questions and answers, and talk about speaking English and Chinese with...- conjunction: 'because'- marker for possession: 'my, mine' etc.- nouns: 'friend', 'teacher', 'literature, culture', 'Chinese language', 'English language', 'TV', 'electricity', 'vision', 'wife'- demonstrative adjectives: 'this', 'that'- question word: 'what?'- word order in questions and answers- verb: 'to speak/say'.
In the next lesson you'll be able to use the classifier 'ge' and learn that prepositions function as verbs.
- Sales Rank: #38557 in Audible
- Published on: 2013-03-07
- Format: Unabridged
- Original language: English
- Running time: 74 minutes
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14 of 15 people found the following review helpful.
Starts off excellently, but bogs down. An interim review.
By vhrm
Alright, i'm only 2 CDs out of 8 + 2 through this, so this is a preliminary review. I'm writing it partly out of frustration, but i am hoping i'll be able to increase the rating later. Already in writing this opus i've optimistically upgraded it to a 3 from the 2 I was originally going to give it.
Here goes:
This program seems excellent for someone like me w/ no or nearly no experience. It really starts from zero. I already knew ABOUT the language a little bit (like that it has 4 tones etc), but I was not able to produce or understand any words or identify or produce the tones so i was practically at zero.
The main teacher is a somewhat edgier Mr. Rogers type. (For NPR listeners he sounds just a little like Richard Sher, host of "Says you!"). It's a little bit corny, but it's quite palatable. I compare this with the Fluenz test lesson you can see online (and also some of the podcasts i've tried) which have a tone and affect that makes me squirm. Those are somehow falsely dulcet and over enthusiastic. This is not.
( My language background, BTW: I'm was an immigrant to the US (as a kid) and speak English quite well (80% -90% of people i meet think i'm a native speaker and it's the language I think and operate in, except if i speak my native tongue, which i don't do very well or that often). Took French in middle-school and HS many years ago. Not good, but not terrible. I took a term of Japanese (over a decade ago). NOT gifted (got a "gentleman's C" in that. My very weak defense is that 75%+ of the people in that class had taken some Japanese before, but i didn't put in as much work as maybe it took either). A few years ago I tried Pimsleur Japanese, but only made it through a few lessons. Similarly i tried a couple of japanesepod episodes and again was again quickly left behind. IDK what to say, i'm either slower than most, not doing languages well, hampered by stress... can't say.
A year or two ago i tried the FSI Mandarin course. I made it through maybe 2 preliminary lessons, but then they left me in the dust. I'm hoping that maybe after I do these courses I can return to that.
)
Back to the review:
The first CD is quite nice. Really starts off from nothing and gets you using tones and repeating words so you can remember them and assembling the few words into little sentences. It's excellent. Though i've only gone through like 25% of the material i feel some grasp of the structure both of sounds and basic grammar.
However, 3/4ths of the way through the 2nd CD, things get a lot tougher, and it seems to me it's the teachers causing the problem! Let me explain (it'll take a little while): Here's the structure of the lessons:
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0 ) some new word or concept is introduced. Then there are 5 to 15 (?) sentences where the interaction is like this.
1) prompt: "How do you say: 'They are not busy now but they are well.' "
2)
3)
prompt: They
student on tape: ta1 men
prompt: not
student: bu4
prompt: busy
student: mang1
prompt: now
student:
prompt: but
student:
prompt: they
student: ta1 men
prompt: well
student: hao3
(the numbers are a way to write tones if you're just writing ASCII, don't worry about it )
4) the native speaker co-teacher says the whole sentence slowly.
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Here's issue one that's bumming me out:
In step 3 there is a pause on the disk between the prompt and the student as the student is thinking of each word. It's good for me to say it before him or her, or it was when the sentences were easy (though the instructions, given in 2 sentences in lesson 1 and nowhere else and not really clarified yet, imply you're not supposed to do that). Problem is that by the time we're halfway through the sentence I forgot what we're even trying to say because it's taken so long! And the whole point of the method is to contrast similar sentences e.g.:
They are busy.
They are busy now.
They are not busy.
They are not busy now.
They are all not busy.
They are all not busy now.
etc. so they all are roughly the same and if you forget exactly what it's trying to say the whole point of the exercise is lost and it becomes just a random stream of Chinese words instead of a sentence.
This is exacerbated by the thing that is driving me bonkers right now and that made me write this semi-protest review:
The main English prompts.
The structure of the Chinese sentences (at least at this basic level) is similar to English, but different. e.g.
"They are not busy now, but they are well." => "they not busy now but they good"
(If you know any chinese people who don't speak English quite fluently, it makes it easy to understand why they make the errors in English the way they do.)
The problem is that instead of prompting in that pidgin, which is readily understandable to an English speaker but helps use the Chinese structure, the teacher insists on prompting with the fully verbose English every single time. So instead of encouraging my brain to assemble things correctly in Chinese, it pops my brain into English grammar mode on every sentence.
Why?! it's really frustrating me. It's almost like they're trying to teach a Chinese speaker how to speak English rather than the other way around. I hope either their style changes or my brain somehow gets over a hump because otherwise i don't know how i'm going to make it to the end.
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Other things of note/interest:
1) There are no mp3s on these disks that I can find. They are just plain audio CDs. You can rip them and convert them as you would an audio CD, but there are no mp3s on the disks. The description currently says you can be "on the move with your MP3 player", which is true, but only after you create said mp3s yourself.
2) There are two teachers, the main guy and a woman who is a native speaker. There are also two students a guy and a girl. The somewhat confusing thing is that the woman teacher and the woman student have similar voices, so sometimes i get confused when they're talking to each other because it sounds like the same person talking to herself. It's not really a problem, but it's a bit strange. And, afaict, both of them also have a Chinese accent when they speak English (though i assume i'm mistaken about the student since she asked a question about and made an error in structure. If she were a speaker of some other Chinese dialect, presumably she wouldn't do that.)
3) There is no instruction or even any sort of guidance included as to how you are supposed to structure your lessons. Maybe they assume that you'll listen to a few lessons (they're about 4-12 minutes each) and then when you come back listen to half of them again and a few new ones ? I really have no idea. That's kind of what i'm doing since there is not much reminder of the old stuff in the new lessons so if you don't remember something or don't get something you're kind of stuck and can't produce anything.
4) The students, especially the guy, is pretty tentative with his tones and pronunciation. I'm not clear how much he's helping the situation.
5) On CD2, at least, the audio levels are all over the place. The male teacher is like twice as loud as the male student.
6) There is no pause during tracks and no real indication that you've gone on to the next topic. So the teacher is already a whole sentence into something new before my brain has registered, oh, this is a new topic, not another sentence to translate. It's minor, but since the lessons are each so short you run into it a lot.
Note: i have no idea how many of these things are by design and part of "The Method" and how many of them are just questionable execution.
(PS: i'm not factoring this into the rating, but i'm mentioning it just to bulk up this otherwise short review: Amazon must have had an angry gorilla deliver this thing. They are 5 plastic DVD-style cases in a blue carboard box in an Amazon shipping box. It arrived with what looks as a little crush damage to one corner of the box. Some of the DVD holders are broken in other places, not the crushed corner, and one of the CDs itself has some cracks in the middle. I don't know that i've ever seen an accidentally cracked CD before.)
(BTW, there are many more reviews of the previous version which is the same disks, afaict, just packaged differently. : Speak Mandarin Chinese For Beginners The Michel Thomas Method (8-CD Beginner's Program) (Michel Thomas Series)
7 of 7 people found the following review helpful.
Best starting program (and I used many)
By Avi Paul
This is by far the best Mandarin course. I bought it from local bookstore in Australia and the pace is just perfect to start with. I transferred it to my iphone and listened on the way travelling to school from home and back, total 1 hour daily.
Now I wont really say I am totally a newbie since I listened to many of my friends speaking mandarin for years and I took one semester chinese class before but I must admit I have learnt much more from this than the ones before. I could finally "somewhat" understand what people are talking and dare to talk to someone else in chinese (with many mistakes of course).
So this course wont make you an expert - no way, far from it. What it will give you is the confidence and the ability to start making some sentences and convey your messages. It will also help you to say words with almost correct or correct tones - which I think is extremely important.
After completing the beginning course in about 12 days I could talk for 30 second to 1 minute with my chinese friends and they understood what I was saying. After years of listening and even taking a semester in chinese I could not do even that.
And after the advance course where the pace was little faster (and I did not like it that much) I could talk for little longer and I felt I was ready to start other courses such as Pimseleur or Fluentu website.
So, it is a definite 5 star for me and I will wholeheartedly recommend to anyone interested in mandarin to start with this. Once you start you still have a long way to go and you probably need a certain number of years before you can actually speak well, but it will get you started and you will not be totally lost.
4 of 4 people found the following review helpful.
I tried lots of DVDs and videos, this is the one that really launches you into Mandarin.
By KFH
After listening to parts or all of about 4 different sets of Mandarin tapes from our library, and countless youtube videos, this Michel Thomas with Harold Goodman is what works for me. The patient emphasis on the tones and the presence of the voices of the two students on the recording is what makes it all really work. I did Pimsleur and am repeating that now, but they only tell you the tone once, and for newbies, it is very easy to loose your way on the tones. Also, in the car, I find that the Pimsleur goes at a grueling pace and I have to turn it off and listen to the radio. But this Michel Thomas method with Harold Goodman I can listen to for my full half-our commute each way, every day. It is a pleasant experience, I feel my mind slowly expanding and I can say a few things in Chinese Mandarin.
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